I can only speak intelligently about the US and those that take the vow in the US. The part of obedience would apply throughout the world. The vow of poverty and tax implications would be adjusted based on laws and regulations in each sovereign country. But since the US has the most bethelites, and traveling overseers and their wives, that is the biggest group that is part of the order.
Richard Oliver
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Question on the Special Order... document and its implications
by careful inseveral times on this forum posts have been made about the "order of special full-time servants" in the wts and the document that must be signed by those entering it, bethelites, cos, and so on.
the reason given for the whole thing has usually been for tax purposes, that by signing this document full-timers become exempt from taxation by belonging to this special group.
basically then, end of story.. however, there is a clause in said document stating that any money made by the full-time worker beyond the allowance given by the society has to be turned over to the society.
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Question on the Special Order... document and its implications
by careful inseveral times on this forum posts have been made about the "order of special full-time servants" in the wts and the document that must be signed by those entering it, bethelites, cos, and so on.
the reason given for the whole thing has usually been for tax purposes, that by signing this document full-timers become exempt from taxation by belonging to this special group.
basically then, end of story.. however, there is a clause in said document stating that any money made by the full-time worker beyond the allowance given by the society has to be turned over to the society.
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Richard Oliver
Consulting services is a division within Legal that prepares the tax returns for members of the order. It is a unique thing to have a vow of poverty so not everyone knows how to handle their tax returns. Their only job is either to prepare tax returns or to approve tax returns that a member has had an accountant prepare for them. It is ultimately up to each member to file an accurate and proper tax return but they will make sure that it is compliant with IRS and all state laws and regulations.
Bethel office only really gets involved if someone doesn't either file their paperwork with consulting services in a timely fashion or does not notify with consulting services that they filed their tax return. And they only get involved because they want to ensure that everyone in order is compliant with federal and state laws and regulations.
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FYI- Washington Post article for XJW legal nerds: Excommunication, Buddhists, temple control: An interesting new Supreme Court petition
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/15/excommunication-buddhists-and-temple-control-an-interesting-new-supreme-court-petition/?utm_term=.6f371ba712ef.
excommunication, buddhists, and temple control: an interesting new supreme court petition.
by eugene volokh the volokh conspiracyopinion.
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Richard Oliver
Also remember that the supreme court receives thousands of writs a year and only set for full review on a fraction of a percent. This case may never actually get too be heard by the full court.
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Question on the Special Order... document and its implications
by careful inseveral times on this forum posts have been made about the "order of special full-time servants" in the wts and the document that must be signed by those entering it, bethelites, cos, and so on.
the reason given for the whole thing has usually been for tax purposes, that by signing this document full-timers become exempt from taxation by belonging to this special group.
basically then, end of story.. however, there is a clause in said document stating that any money made by the full-time worker beyond the allowance given by the society has to be turned over to the society.
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Richard Oliver
Vacation time is calculated at 12 days base plus 1 day for every 2 years of full-time service. They also grant additional vacation days for sisters at 40 and brothers at 50 and it goes up I believe at about every 10 years. Also their is concensious, though not official, if you are only required to work 5 days the other time is your own so you can do as you please. The vow is basically there so that you don't work during the days that you are devoting to your vow of poverty.
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Question on the Special Order... document and its implications
by careful inseveral times on this forum posts have been made about the "order of special full-time servants" in the wts and the document that must be signed by those entering it, bethelites, cos, and so on.
the reason given for the whole thing has usually been for tax purposes, that by signing this document full-timers become exempt from taxation by belonging to this special group.
basically then, end of story.. however, there is a clause in said document stating that any money made by the full-time worker beyond the allowance given by the society has to be turned over to the society.
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Richard Oliver
I am speaking because I used to work for a company that would contract with Bethelites a lot when they would take vacation time off to do some work for vacation money.
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Question on the Special Order... document and its implications
by careful inseveral times on this forum posts have been made about the "order of special full-time servants" in the wts and the document that must be signed by those entering it, bethelites, cos, and so on.
the reason given for the whole thing has usually been for tax purposes, that by signing this document full-timers become exempt from taxation by belonging to this special group.
basically then, end of story.. however, there is a clause in said document stating that any money made by the full-time worker beyond the allowance given by the society has to be turned over to the society.
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Richard Oliver
The vow of poverty only limits income derived from work. Income derived from investments, social programs or retirement accounts do not violate the prohibition on work. A person is released from their vow of poverty when they take vacation time from the order in order to gain additional income. A vacation can be as short as an hour. Consulting services asks members if they have received any additional funds from outside sources only so that they prepare accurate and legal tax returns for that member of the order. Even if a member of the order uses an outside accountant to prepare the tax return consulting services still requires them to have it approved by them as the laws on it is unique and not all accountants are familiar with preparation for someone with a vow of poverty. Neither the branch nor anyone else requires that donations be made from a member of the order that receives outside money.
The paperwork a member of the order also signs is that the GB and it's personnel committee or service committee can revoke status as a member of the order at any time and that they are not liable for any support once the member is no longer part of the order. All bethelites are aware that their status can be revoked at any time and at the discretion of the governing body.
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FYI- Washington Post article for XJW legal nerds: Excommunication, Buddhists, temple control: An interesting new Supreme Court petition
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/15/excommunication-buddhists-and-temple-control-an-interesting-new-supreme-court-petition/?utm_term=.6f371ba712ef.
excommunication, buddhists, and temple control: an interesting new supreme court petition.
by eugene volokh the volokh conspiracyopinion.
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Richard Oliver
Orphan:
What I was meaning by no longer a member of the congregation is, if a congregation is dissolved all the members of that congregation goes to a new congregation. As soon as their cards are moved to the new congregation they are no longer voting members, in the dissolved congregation, so they have no vote in determining what happens to the real property. All that would have to happen is a small group of like 3 or so that doesn't have their cards moved over for them to vote to decide what happens to the real property.
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Elder/MS requirement for marriage talk? (Wedding not in KH)
by respectful_observer inokay team,.
some family friends who are engaged are getting some flack around the particulars of their wedding ceremony (surprise!
"strain out the gnat, gulp down the camel", and all that).
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Richard Oliver
I know in New York City the cities regulation calls for a known lay person of a religion to marry someone, so that required elders to marry people in the city.
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FYI- Washington Post article for XJW legal nerds: Excommunication, Buddhists, temple control: An interesting new Supreme Court petition
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/15/excommunication-buddhists-and-temple-control-an-interesting-new-supreme-court-petition/?utm_term=.6f371ba712ef.
excommunication, buddhists, and temple control: an interesting new supreme court petition.
by eugene volokh the volokh conspiracyopinion.
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Richard Oliver
This really won't affect Watchtower in a number of ways. First, courts have ruled that it is a hierarchical religion and not a congregational religion based on a matter of law. So courts have consistently ruled it is a top down religion rather than a lateral or bottom up religion. So authority is derived from those above a certain position, so if a congregation is dissolved only the branch office can dissolve a congregation, a congregation cannot vote to dissolve themselves or form their own. Second, most congregations new bylaws or articles of incorporation gives the authority to vote on matters of property to either the BOE or to active members of a congregation, so if someone is no longer an active member of the congregation then they don't have a vote in the matter. And even if a congregation votes to sell a piece of property, most congregational bylaws or articles of incorporation, calls for proceeds to go to Watchtower or an organization designated by the GB. Third, if we are talking about Watchtower of PA or NY or any other corporation, the bylaws limit the number of voters and only those that the GB trust really get to be voting members, it is like a corporation's board, really the CEO can put on people who are favorable to him so he can control the outcome.
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FYI, Trump's pick for U. S. Army Secretary is Vincent Viola. What's Viola's connection with the Watchtower?
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://therealdeal.com/2016/12/19/trump-taps-virtu-ceo-brooklyn-real-estate-investor-vincent-viola-for-army-secretary/.
the jehovah’s witnesses’ building at 124 columbia heights (credit: getty images) and vincent viola.
"president-elect donald trump nominated virtu financial ceo — and recent brooklyn real estate investor — vincent viola for secretary of the u.s. army on monday.. "a 1977 west point graduate, viola served with the 101st airborne division at fort campbell, kentucky.
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Richard Oliver
This has nothing to do with Watchtower at all. If someone sells something to someone does that mean that they support that person and their dealings, it does not. This is just a rich guy who knows Trump and is getting power.